All,
Buried in DMB's recent announcement of version 12 of DMB was the following message, "This year we will be making available a second special edition of the 2020 season database to accommodate draft league play. This database will contain all the same information but will have the player stats pro-rated for a 162-game season and will be available as a free download with the purchase of the 2020 Annual Season Database upon request."
Previously we announced that we would be using the 2020 projection disk for our upcoming season. With this announcement however, we have another option. I recognize that I am not certain we would be able to easily transition over to this option (i.e. DMB doesn't publish WAR so how would we deal with arbitration?), but I did want to give everyone an opportunity to comment on this additional option and maybe we can come up with solutions if everyone prefers using the pro-rated statistics.
Thanks all.
David
I'd vote to stick with our original plan.
I would be intrigued by the prorated version but okay either way.
I could go either way here at this moment. I do have Shane Bieber, so getting a Cy Young season from him would be nice, but I also understand any argument that teams might have already made plans on the projections disk. The one thing I will say in favor of the projections disk is that we don't need to worry as much about how COVID-19 impacted a player's time on the roster.
I would prefer the 162 but will follow the will of the group if that's the minority.
I'd prefer the projected season as previously decided but can live with either option.
I prefer the projection disk, especially since we made that very solid decision pretty early on. Some trades may or may not have happened due to knowing their stats.
Projection disk as this is what we decided. You can't guess what moves may have been made based upon that decision.
We now have an option for future seasons if needed.
I like the projected season idea.
BTW...is there a calendar of events? Dates of up comiing items?
PHB
There is... usually. COVID makes this offseason a little different. I think the next big event coming up is the minor league draft perhaps this month? - but there will be some tweaks to it. We usually have that in mid-July, but postponed it this year. After that, the season disk comes out, then we'll have Free Agent auctions that usually start in January.
Without waiting until the January signing period for the International Free Agents normally in July this draft will miss out on an entire class.
I believe we have to wait until those players have signed for our minor league draft.
Happy new year to everyone!
just catching up on things--so v12 was released this week? but I'm confused as to whether we need the 2020 annual season database or the projection season. Adding to my confusion, the projs were available in May but require v12 which was just released?
https://diamond-mind.com/blogs/dmb-blog/version-12-and-the-2020-season-are-here
https://diamond-mind.com/products/2020-projection-season-zips
here's hoping everyone's 2021 is better than 2020, but esp for the Devils. ^^
Sh
I believe those are two different products.
The projection disc is just that, a projection and not tied to the 2020 season that was played.
The 2020 pro-rated season that a lot of leagues are using is based on the 2020 season with plate appearances and innings stretched out.
The minor league draft has discussed at length the last couple months. Unfortunately there isn’t a perfect solution #thankscovid
So we’ve made the decision to cancel the entire 2020 minor league draft and move forward with a “normal” draft in 2021.
What does this mean to you?
- Minor league rosters will increase to 30 players to accommodate for the missed minor league season and not having to promote players this offseason in the sim. It is still being discussed how long we’ll stay at 30, but it will stay there until next offseason at a minimum.
- Your 2021 draft position will be an average of your 2020 and 2021 slots. We’ll be updating the slots shortly.
- Since the 2020 draft didn’t happen, any previously traded picks will automatically be updated to the 2021 draft. Reminder that you can’t trade 2022 picks until after the 2021 draft so any draft pick trades made until the 2021 draft will be for the 2021 draft. Hopefully that makes sense - it’s a lot clearer in my head than it came out over the past couple sentences :)
We realize there wasn’t a perfect solution to this. But this is the path we believe has the least downside.
Thanks for settling this today. No easy answer but I think this is a fair result.
Curious when the 30 man kicks in?
For anyone interested, I got the answer to my question. The 30 man kicks in now.
I've updated all the draft picks on the "Upcoming Draft" sheet on the rosters where I merged the records from both seasons and then accounted for all past trades. Should be current, but please let me know if you see a mistake.
I am a little behind here as winter has been crazy for myself and the family but should I be purchasing the 2020 Annual Season Database that is 60 Game Edition or the 162 Game Prorated Edition?
Coy, grab the pro-rated 162-game edition. We're using that this year.
Aren't we using the projection disk?
We are. Coy, disregard Kyle. (It's easy to do!) This is what we are using: https://diamond-mind.com/collections/projection-seasons/products/2020-projection-season-zips
If you bought something else, no worries. Just send me your purchase number and I'll figure it out with DMB.
ok, this is what I was asking as well. So the two pieces of software we need are this proj, $14.95 & the new v12, $29.95.
Thanks,
Sh
You don't actually need v12 this year. We're still running a v11 database.
Bah! That's what I meant!!! (I read "projection" in my head when you wrote "prorated".) DMB is offering a pro-rated 162 game database?? I didn't even know that. Sorry Coy. I thought they were only offering a projection disk and a 60-game disk.
No worries, Kyle! Through my resources I figured out I needed the project disk.
Yeah I am curious about what the prorated 162 game disk would be.
the prog won't install the 2020 proj .alt file, says it needs v12. Has anyone been able to get v11 to accept the proj file?
I believe we need to allow all 2020 MLB drafted and January internationally signed players that would normally be allowed for the draft to be eligible regardless of MSB draft status (ABs or IP).
One player comes to mind, but there could be others and we would shouldn't push them to 2022 FA because we didn't have a minor league draft given two different opportunities.
I agree with this. Simply stated, were it adopted as a temporary rule: "Any ABs or IPs accumulated in the 60-game 2020 season will not be counted against a player's MSB draft eligibility."
I was thinking across the board for that block of players.
All others would be subject to the rules and 2020 stats counting.
I guess I'm not following - is the reason because a player drafted in 2020 but who then had IP or AB in 2020 wouldn't appear on the projection disk?
For me it just makes sense that since we didn't have a draft in 2020, we should at least consider the type of rule I quoted. Seems like if we just eliminate the stats from a short season it would be easy for us to comprehend. But if the CO is thinking we don't need/want a rule like that, that's cool.
Nothing to do with the projection disk.
We didn't have a draft and no player from the 2020 MLB Draft should be pushed to 2022 FA because of the timing of our Minors draft and the MLB Season by expiring their MSB Minors eligiblity.
I think I understand where this is going or coming from. I would agree with Brent's premise that a player that was drafted in real life in the 2020 MLB Draft could start to play in the majors this year, and by the time the minor league draft is held in our league, that player would be ineligible to be draft in our minor league draft, since they will have surpassed the playing time limit to be drafted. I agree with him that this is a problem.
Maybe it should be as simple as saying that any player that was drafted in the 2020 MLB Draft is eligible to be drafted in the 2021 minor league draft, regardless of how much he has played in the majors in 2021. I would say the same goes for J2 international signings, but I don't think there's any realistic way that any of them are in the majors in 2021. I can't imagine this would affect many players, but given the wackiness of 2020, I don't think this change for this year's minor league draft would be problematic.
Of course, this is all based on if I understand Brent's concern correctly, and I don't always trust myself there. :)
All,
After discussion, we've come up with the following to address the continued weirdness that is the 2020 MLB season (and 2021 MSB season):
1. Statistics on the projection disk control. Therefore, guys like Dom Nunez or Wyatt Mathisen who "exhausted" their rookie eligibility in the projection disk are available in free agency.
2. Players who were drafted in the 2020 minor league draft will be eligible for the 2021 minor league draft regardless of whether they have already accrued or will accrue MLB time prior to the draft. This will ensure that the 160 players who were selected last year will still remain eligible for rookie contracts in MSB.
I keep getting an error when I try and upload the new database....saying ERROR in year (11)? I have version 12
JT
John, we are still using version 11 this year. I don't think we're switching to v12 until next season. I think David can send you what's needed to remedy that...?
Can David send me it?? sportsvival@gmail.com