Expansion Discussion

Re: Expansion Discussion

Reply #60 – November 08, 2017, 06:20:51 PM

In regards to the HTD question - we hadn't discussed that issue. We will get back to you.

Expansion teams will have arbitration rights for players that are selected. Arbitration is available for all players that on our their original contract and which either expires in 2018 and wasn't extended as an ICE or contracts that expire in 2019 and were extended. So basically:

1) 2018 contracts @ $250K; or
2) 2019 contracts @ $2M.

Unfortunately, the spreadsheet I sent the four expansion teams this evening doesn't have the info on whether players were promoted or just signed in free agency. You'd have to cross-reference that list with the updated 2018 rosters spreadsheet located here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F1WqVE-4fvA3V7JdwyZsDT-5PnWS46HIBfrnd4wd3Ow/edit#gid=1280360356 We haven't posted a link to it on our website, but will soon. The information you need is located in the notes section next to each player. Look for players that say "Promoted" somewhere in the notes and that meet those other two criteria.

But yes, Ken Giles is eligible for arbitration.

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Reply #61 – November 08, 2017, 06:23:49 PM

Quote from: thebuland – on November 08, 2017, 08:42:08 AM

So when's this draft going to take place? Are we thinking over the weekend? To soon?

Probably. The four expansion owners are ready to start, though Darrell and I both started new jobs this week so the CO is a bit behind. We'll get it going by the weekend for sure.

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Reply #62 – November 08, 2017, 07:30:35 PM

Congratulations to you both!

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Reply #63 – November 08, 2017, 07:31:38 PM

Quote from: dsj421 – on November 08, 2017, 06:20:51 PM

In regards to the HTD question - we hadn't discussed that issue. We will get back to you.

Thanks.

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So basically:

1) 2018 contracts @ $250K; or
2) 2019 contracts @ $2K.

Sorry to be a bother, but this confuses me a little. A 2018 contracted player would be up for arbitration next winter, right? And a 2019 player the next winter, and 2020 the winter after that. Am I understanding this correctly?

I'm also confused by the 2019 contracts you mentioned. Did you mean 2019 contracts @$250K?

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Reply #64 – November 09, 2017, 04:43:05 AM

D,

I'm just a guy trying to figure this along with you as well.

Here is the way I see things. Each rookie contract is a four year deal initially. Take my roster for example, Alex Wood was promoted for the 2014 season. He was not awarded an extension and his contract expired in 2017. He's going back to the free agent pool, but is HTD eligible if in the winning team.

Back to your question, Giles and all other players on the 4th year of rookie contract will come under Arbitration. If you choose to keep him at the $250K that is allowed, but like Alex Wood he'll go into the free agent pool for 2019. Once Arbitration is offered for year four, 2018 in this case you would have the same option for 2019 and 2020.

Below are three examples from same team where Arenado and Myers were promoted the same year, Arenado is extended and in year five already following the ICE. I hope this helps and answers your questions as I know this is all new to us. I'm not a member of the CO, but I feel I have a good grasp on this.

Nolan Arenado   (2019)   Third baseman    $ 2,000,000 Promoted 12/14, ICE granted 03/17

Kris Bryant   (2019)   Third baseman    $ 250,000    Promoted 01/16

Wil Myers   (2018)   Outfielder    $ 250,000    Promoted 12/14

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Reply #65 – November 09, 2017, 04:56:40 AM

Quote from: FRANNY77 – on November 09, 2017, 04:43:05 AM

Nolan Arenado   (2019)   Third baseman    $ 2,000,000 Promoted 12/14, ICE granted 03/17
Kris Bryant   (2019)   Third baseman    $ 250,000    Promoted 01/16
Wil Myers   (2018)   Outfielder    $ 250,000    Promoted 12/14

In this scenario, Arenado and Myers would be eligible for arbitration. Bryant would be eligible next year.

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Reply #66 – November 09, 2017, 05:04:39 AM

Quote from: Brendtmc – on November 08, 2017, 07:31:38 PM

Sorry to be a bother, but this confuses me a little. A 2018 contracted player would be up for arbitration next winter, right? And a 2019 player the next winter, and 2020 the winter after that. Am I understanding this correctly?

I'm also confused by the 2019 contracts you mentioned. Did you mean 2019 contracts @$250K?

A 2018 player would be eligible this winter as in right after the expansion draft. You have to choose arbitration or not before they enter their 4th year. Otherwise they remain at $250K for year 4 and you lose them at the end of year 4.

The 2019 contracts I mention are a product of our now defunct ICE rule that allowed teams to extend one rookie per off-season to an extra year. This is a temporary issue that will go away after this off-season as all the players who received an ICE in the past will have either become eligible for arbitration or become free agents. Fortunately it only affects a few players this year and I think all of them were protected by their current team.

This 2019 issue affects:

Xander Bogaerts
Matt Shoemaker
Nolan Arenado
Christian Yelich
Michael Wacha
Dellin Betances
Masahiro Tanaka

All of those players are eligible for arbitration this off-season.

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Reply #67 – November 09, 2017, 11:36:29 AM

Quote from: dsj421 – on November 09, 2017, 05:04:39 AM

A 2018 player would be eligible this winter as in right after the expansion draft. You have to choose arbitration or not before they enter their 4th year. Otherwise they remain at $250K for year 4 and you lose them at the end of year 4.

Okay, I see part of my confusion. Initial contracts are FOUR years, not three, and arbitration starts in that fourth year not after.

Any player promoted is automatically given a four year /$500K contract. *IF* we choose, we can start him on arbitration after his third year, effectively replacing his fourth year, $500K salary with the arbitration salary. That's our 2018 initial contract players this year.

I know you've already said all this . . . I just needed to hear myself process through it to make sure I have it now.

I do . . . right???

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Reply #68 – November 09, 2017, 11:40:13 AM

Quote from: Brendtmc – on November 09, 2017, 11:36:29 AM

I know you've already said all this . . . I just needed to hear myself process through it to make sure I have it now.

I do . . . right???

In my humble opinion, yes.

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Reply #69 – November 09, 2017, 11:43:37 AM

Quote from: FRANNY77 – on November 09, 2017, 04:43:05 AM

D,

I'm just a guy trying to figure this along with you as well.

Here is the way I see things. Each rookie contract is a four year deal initially.

I guess that makes you No-D... ;-)

The four year initial contract is where I was confused. No good reason why I was as even in SCRUBS rookie initial contracts were four years as well. I think I just got futzed up when factoring in the new arbitration rules taking effect after year three. Brain fart...

I got it now . . . . . I think...

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Reply #70 – November 10, 2017, 06:01:06 AM

Quote from: Brendtmc – on November 09, 2017, 11:43:37 AM

I guess that makes you No-D... ;-)

I'll take that as fair. We are all in this together. For fun, for the love of the game as I was told initially by @DataDriven05 when I first joined another sim league that went defunct for lack of a better term.

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Reply #71 – November 11, 2017, 11:23:05 AM

Quote from: FRANNY77 – on November 10, 2017, 06:01:06 AM

I'll take that as fair. We are all in this together. For fun, for the love of the game as I was told initially by @DataDriven05 when I first joined another sim league that went defunct for lack of a better term.

Amen to all that.

The greatest game in the world!

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Reply #72 – November 11, 2017, 12:48:41 PM

Quote from: FRANNY77 – on November 10, 2017, 06:01:06 AM

as I was told initially by @DataDriven05 when I first joined another sim league that went defunct for lack of a better term.

I remember that league, that may have been my first league with you Brent. I love this deep/salary cap format.

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Reply #73 – November 11, 2017, 04:45:24 PM

Yes, that is correct. ESB was that league. Just a few owners in common from that league. Up to a count of four leagues in common. Two of them sim baseball, two of them fantasy football.

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Reply #74 – November 12, 2017, 07:46:08 AM

When do minor leaguers have to be promoted so they are not exposed in the Rule 5 draft? Immediately following their real life season in which they surpass the 50 IP / 130 AB limit, or one year removed?

ie: a player like Nick Williams. Surpassed his rookie status in MLB in 2017. Does he have to be promoted this winter, or does David have one more season in which to leave him on the minor league roster?